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Innovage

soleglowNew to WAHM.com
posted July 31, 2004 07:21 PM
My husband is currently working for a company from home named Innovage. I'm pretty skeptical about it. They sell clearance items. They have deals with Disney, the NFL, Crayola, and Samsonite. I have to agree, they have pretty good products for a very low price, but the company itself is what bothers me.
First of all, he works 12 hour days. I drop him off work at 7am and I don't pick him up until 7pm. They do door-to-door business sales in the local area. The position is soley commission based. The company sort of works on a mlm structure..once you make $80 in profits for 3 days, you begin to train other employees that the company interviews themselves. Once he trains a certain # of those employees, and they train a certain number of employees, you become assistant manager. And then I think the next generation has to train another set of employees, and then you become manager. Once you build up a big enough crew, you can declare yourself owner and the company will help you find a distribution warehouse location. You pick your own name, pay the rent, utilities, and continue to train/hire new crew, etc., My worries are, so far from what I've read about the business, it doesn't sound good. Many angry, bitter employees and even owners have given bad reviews about this company, but my husband continues to defend them. Some people have even gone so far as to call them a "cult" like scam. There were a couple days my husband worked 12 hour days and only came home with $40 cash. I told him that if he didn't start making more soon, he'd have to find work elsewhere because that's just not cuttin' it. His owner sat us down and told us that we should round off a figure we need to survive on weekly, and as long as my husband is on time, working hard, and trying his best, he'll supplement whatever amount we need to survive on just to keep him on the team. He said he doesn't do this for everyone, but he's willing to do it for my husband because he feels like he "knows he can do it".
Anyway, to make a long story short, I wanted to know if anybody else had worked for or owned a part of Ds-Max, Innovage, Cydcor, Granton Marketing, etc., They have many names, and each owner names their business their own name, but the main corporation are named those 4 names just mentioned above.
Any words of advice, experience, opinions, etc., would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
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OKC, OKunregistered
posted August 13, 2004 12:52 AM
Just do an internet search at http://www.google.com/ for Granton Marketing.... my son-in-law 'interviewed' today with 'Choice Marketing' a division of Granton Marketing, aka 100's of other aliases. You will be shocked at the number of negative info you will find. http://wolfram.org/scams/ds_max this one has a detailed account of one persons experience and the entire outline of how the companies work.Hope your hubby gets out soon! Sounds like a nightmare!
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Originally posted by soleglow:My husband is currently working for a company from home named Innovage. I'm pretty skeptical about it. They sell clearance items. They have deals with Disney, the NFL, Crayola, and Samsonite. I have to agree, they have pretty good products for a very low price, but the company itself is what bothers me.
First of all, he works 12 hour days. I drop him off work at 7am and I don't pick him up until 7pm. They do door-to-door business sales in the local area. The position is soley commission based. The company sort of works on a mlm structure..once you make $80 in profits for 3 days, you begin to train other employees that the company interviews themselves. Once he trains a certain # of those employees, and they train a certain number of employees, you become assistant manager. And then I think the next generation has to train another set of employees, and then you become manager. Once you build up a big enough crew, you can declare yourself owner and the company will help you find a distribution warehouse location. You pick your own name, pay the rent, utilities, and continue to train/hire new crew, etc., My worries are, so far from what I've read about the business, it doesn't sound good. Many angry, bitter employees and even owners have given bad reviews about this company, but my husband continues to defend them. Some people have even gone so far as to call them a "cult" like scam. There were a couple days my husband worked 12 hour days and only came home with $40 cash. I told him that if he didn't start making more soon, he'd have to find work elsewhere because that's just not cuttin' it. His owner sat us down and told us that we should round off a figure we need to survive on weekly, and as long as my husband is on time, working hard, and trying his best, he'll supplement whatever amount we need to survive on just to keep him on the team. He said he doesn't do this for everyone, but he's willing to do it for my husband because he feels like he "knows he can do it".
Anyway, to make a long story short, I wanted to know if anybody else had worked for or owned a part of Ds-Max, Innovage, Cydcor, Granton Marketing, etc., They have many names, and each owner names their business their own name, but the main corporation are named those 4 names just mentioned above.
Any words of advice, experience, opinions, etc., would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
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bunny28unregistered
posted September 24, 2004 10:04 PM
I actually worked for this company for two days. I got a court summons for soliciting without a license and my "boss" refuses to pay me back for my fine. I would not suggest this to anyone else that is considering doing this. It does seem like a scam although he claims that he makes a six figure salary per year with this company.
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Anonymous23unregistered
posted September 30, 2004 09:53 PM
Well, you can always find people's negative opinions on any subject. You'll find more negatives about the company than positives, but, you also have to understand that the majority of individuals don't have an understanding of the company. From point A to point Z it is the best opportunity that is offered at a no-cost investment. I'm 23 years old and I'm an owner within the company. I know that this opportunity has changed my family tree in the respect of monetarily and happiness as well. Just because people write a bad review or because you don't understand something is no reason to judge it. Maybe your husband is at work 12 hours a day and not side by side with you. Maybe he's not making big bucks so to speak at the moment either. However, the opportunity will always be the same, and as long as the person has a great attitude and puts in 110% effort, they can succeed. You do need to understand that the ability to make it to a management type position is very low because of a bevy of different things. People feel as if they have been *duped*, when in all actuality they have not. Someone who loses their cool (attitude) will never be sucessful in our business because no one will be attracted to them. It is not a mlm company in the respect that we supply interviews to the person. We hand everyone the tools to the business. We teach and educate them how to do everything. In the end though, it comes down to whether or not the person actually applies what has been taught. So, you can look at it negative, or you can look at it positive. I'm sure his attitude has changed for the better though since he's been involved in the business. As well as he has become a more marketable product himself. Once again, I'm 23 years old, married, and I own a location. Not everything you read is negative.
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toddunregistered
posted October 16, 2004 11:40 PM
Innovage, cydcor, dsmax, ipg, granton marketing. They are all different names that sell different things. They claim to be unrelated but they are all from the same source with the same philosophy. They are mult-level marketing companys that get people so commited it is like they are in a cult. Steer clear. The wolfram link above is good. I will add a chat group for those that are trying to heal from the experience. http://groups.msn.com/DSMAXTheAftermath Best wishes to all of you.
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Top Gununregistered
posted December 21, 2004 05:47 PM
Hey,
Yea, I know about "the business." I used to work in the advertising division. I was with the company for about 2 years. I was considered a "leader," so I know exactly what you guys are dealing with, however I just went door to door residentially, selling coupons.
Of course, there are upsides and downsides to every company out there, this is none different. To be honest, I loved the business and the opportunity, and I know for a fact that it IS real, when it's pure. Yes, we absolutely work long hours but that's just what you have to do when you're running a business (we are all independent, meaning we are our own bosses--employee vs. employer mentality.) Anyways, a lot of people will have different opinions about it...some people grasp it, and some people don't.
However, I will say that I would still be with the company if I wasn't pushed out by the higher up's. They say that it's your own business, but you really just run one of "their" offices. But if your husband, has the determination and drive to get it done, then let it be. Those type of people are hard to find, besides the business weeds people out. If you're not happy, don't worry...it won't last forever, trust me.
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roadrunner marketingunregistered
posted December 28, 2004 06:44 PM
Twenty seven years ago one single person started a mission which expanded to more than ninety seven countries with over seventy thousand locations. Whatever the company name is like, my own, I would never lose focus on what I'm doing and where I'm going to be. The only failures I see are quitters. I enjoy being my own boss.
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Donald Astwoodunregistered
posted January 18, 2005 11:11 AM
Hi I worked for CYDCOR for 3 months. All I can say is that if your husband is doing well then he is into the system, and he might as well stay, BUT If you are worried just ask him to show you his weekly or Monthly pay stubbs, as at the moment they still owe me for the 3 months work! But you should be very aware of them. e.g. The resisted giving their information to the Better Business Bureau for investigation. So as i said keep a close eye or ask your husband to really weigh up the oppertunity cost of working for them, as i have now left CYDCOR and am much much better off for it. Well good luck and i hope that your Dealings with them dont end up how my experience did.
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chris.madraracas@ntlworldunregistered
posted February 04, 2005 03:20 AM
You sad little loser. another failure blaming the company, have you no integrity? I sit here laughing my pants off at the negative horror stories. For the hundreds of people who did not have the committment, self confidence, dedication, or ability to deal with tough times, which is the real reason you failed (not the company). There are tens of thousands of people around the world who have succeded by following the same system, selling the same products, knocking the same doors. FACT. It is not a coventional company like are parents or grandparents worked for, were you clock in then clock out, five to six days a week. Get four weeks holiday a year, a basic wage (what they think you're worth) and you do that till your sixty. It's an opportunity bussiness. You have the opportunity to build a business for youself that makes profit. But before you can manage other people successfully you have to manage yourself successfully.Knowbody likes to admit defeat or blame themselves for failing, or face the fact "You don't have what it takes". It's easier to blame something else because it feels better. Even better still, is find people with the same lack of integrity and share eachothers stories on how the company is this and that. Misery loves company!Visionaries look for positives, Bill Gates, Richard Branson, Micheal Jordan, Olympian atheletes.. etc. Success has a price attatched: lots of hours, lots of effort, personal development, adapting to change, and a positive mind set. Once again, the company helps people become successfull who are willing to pay the price. It also chews up and spits out the weak. Same as every other sports club, top university, Blue collor job... etc thats life. If you do have reservations about the company why don't you contact the tens of thousands of men and women, young and old, black and white, educated and non educated people around the world who have took advantage of the opportunity and made themselves successfull. The success stories will outway the horror stories 1000-1.For all you people who like to blame eveything else for your failures, GOOD LUCK in life, you will need lots of it.Chris Mandaracas. (uk)
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Johnnounregistered
posted February 07, 2005 08:49 PM
The problem with Innovage, DSMAX, Granton etc etc (It was originally called WWI - Wholesale Warehousing Industries - when Murray Reinhardt, Larry Tannebaum and Avie Roth started it) is the NOT the way they treat their staff/associates/leaders/trainers/ etc etc., it's the way they treat their ex-employees/staff etc.It is arrogant (and, plain wrong) to suggest that because someone leaves a job/team etc they are a failure. How dare anyone tell me what is or isn't good for me. How dare snot-nosed owners ruminate on life when they are twenty odd years old?????And the comparison of success stories Vs failures in the group is laughable. You people refute your own arguments. You judge success only as making it to the top of the DSMAX/Granton/Innovage tree. I would suggest millions of people have worked in this organisation over the years - How many have retired millionaires? Murray, Larry, Avie, maybe Chris Niarchos in the UK. 4 out of a million or so????? Of course, some others are making good money, but they'll never match the founders - no matter how large their own organisation becomes. Why? Because every time they increase their own organisation, they increase the founder's oragnisation. Murray and Co. must be peeing their pants laughing so much.Indeed, those that do make good money have to continually harrangue and cajole their team, making great promises they know they cannot keep. Anyone with a conscience cannot succeed for long in this business. When you see a person coming into the office day after day, year after year, knowing that they will never make it, you need a hard heart to be unaffected.I know the die-hards will say that anyone can make it etc etc, or that I'm not tough enough, but they are wrong. NOT everyone can make it. Some people should be doctors, others gardeners, some can be flashy sales people with charisma who can sell people on an opportunity, others are librarians or motor mechanics. That doesn't make one better than the other; it's just life.And as for being tough (mentally), I would rather be a human being than a rich asshole.Even "successful" owners rarely make the big bucks. Most owners are closed down because they can't make it - there is basically no business training. Even "high rolling" offices struggle to pay the expenses. After an owner takes out an average (or below average) wage from the profits, there is very little left to save. You need to promote lots and lots and (lots!) of offices to have a comfortable income - and even then you can't retire.It IS an opportunity, but that's all it is; the rest is just BULLS**T. There are plenty of other opportunities out there that offer better conditions, regular pay and, more importantly, they DO NOT try to brainwash people with a loser/winner, success/failure, cow/rhino repetoire.
Oh, How do I know all this? I WAS an owner. I spent nine months working my *** off in the field building a crew/team and ran my own office for five years. I promoted many outside deals (only one is still in the business) Yeh, I made some money - no more than my friends in other businesses - but I lost a lot of good people because I was such an asshole. I shunned friends and people in my office because they left my business; because they couldn't SEE the opportunity; because they were a NEGATIVE influence on my people; because I -like every owner and VP - know how fragile the business plan is and that any differing opinions could cause the whole thing to collapse like the house of cards it is. And because I thought money would make me happy/admired/respected/satisfied.I decided to leave for two reasons: the first being an experience with a nice guy in my office who was never going to make it. Like the example above, he had been in the business for more than three years - I was his third owner (he'd even outlasted his owners). He came in one day after being in the field and selling nothing. Not one thing (not the first time it had happened to him, or others). We talked and I said I couldn't believe he had worked hard all day. I liked the guy, so I agreed to go out with him in the field the next day. We worked all day and he made two sales. Now, I know he worked, I was there. But he just didn't have it. He was motivated; he wanted it bad and he would never give up, but, something IS what it IS. I gold nugget is a gold nugget and no flowery words are gonna turn fool's gold into real gold. The guy didn't have it and he would never have it. I realised then that I couldn't go on pretending that I wasn't exploiting these people. See, it didn't cost me more to have fifty people in the office than ten. If I had ten good ones who made me $100 a day each ($1000 a day) and the other forty only made me $10 a day, I'm still making four hundred bucks off the weak ones. Why not keep them????Why? Because it's exploitation. We kept them there for the atmosphere (more people create more and better excitement) and the extra bucks. Who cares if they're living below the poverty line??? Not Murray, Larry and Avie, that's for sure.The other thing that gnawed at my conscience was something my promoting owner said to me a few weeks after I'd been in my own office. One of my second generation team (who had remained with my promoting owner) fell asleep at the wheel of his car on the way to a road trip. He died. When my promoting owner called to tell me (I was in another city) he said, after a time: "I told my leaders this morning how important it was to get the guys to sign their agreements; otherwise his family may have been able to take me to court." That sentence stuck with me for years. I still think about it every now and then.Anyway, these two things had been playing on my mind for years and eventually I simply realised that the life I was living wasn't my own; it was something I was programmed to think I wanted. Sure, I like the good things in life, but I will not sacrifice my soul to get them. That's the difference - the only one - between me and the neophtyes defending this company.
Hope this helps some of you who are deciding on your futures. My only advice is to listen to both sides of the story. Don't just believe me - listen to your owner too(sounds like the slave trade, doesn't it), maybe he/she is a good person; maybe some things have changed since I was with the group. But please, DON'T believe everything they say; lies and deception are inherent in the business structure at all levels. I know, I was an owner. I know, I lied.
Best regards,
John
PS Surely the alarm bells start ringing when they change the company name every few years. Why do they do it? Google them all and you will see.
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nancy2005unregistered
posted March 13, 2005 04:26 AM
just review their web site http://www.cydcor.com/ and check for yourself.
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Alex Sunregistered
posted March 19, 2005 06:36 PM
THis is not a Network Marketing CO.
Direct Sales.
You will never find a business that is So Easy that in 6-12 mo. you can be an owner.
I was in Financial services for 3 years made $250,000. quit to Be an owner in in Innovage
-Alex
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Alex Sunregistered
posted March 20, 2005 11:35 AM
Posting a reply to the owner that failed. And all the other negative people.
Listen everybusiness is hard. that's why Millions of people work for somebody else and not them selves.
9 out of 10 businesses fail no matter what type.
The bottom line is It is virtully impossible to make $100,000 in your first few years working for a company.
Obviously the owners of the entire company will be the wealthiest. They deserve it. They came up with an Idea that has Employed millions of people. It has taught valuable sales skills that can be used in any industry. I will agree working on the street can be tough.
But how many of you have Masters Degree's in Physics From MIT????? How many of you went to harvard????
What opportunity is out there that you can work full time Get Paid CASH$$$$ Daily and have the ability to make a 6 figure income in your first year.???
This is not working from home, this is not MLM, This is a Franchise Direct Sales Retail business.
Your mad because you never made it. You probably won't make it no matter what business you do. So go ahead work for Corporate america. And when you worked for that company for 20 years and your 50 years old. And it colapses like Enron. don't come back crying to me about being unemployed.
Attitude is Everything and it determines everything every second in your entire life. you can either be Positive or Negative it's your choice.
I personally Choose the Positive side no matter what.
I'm 23 my mom died when I was 22 of cancer after only 10 months. I'm a single parent of a 3 year old. I take care of my Father who has Alzeihmers. My best friends sister is a Prostitute, and he's a heroin Addict. All my other friends snort coke and Blaze Weed.
How they hell can I manage??? I don't know.
I also Have a $250,000 in Cash saved up since working at 19.
I live in a Million Dollar 6 bedroom house in Bethesda, MD go ahead look up home prices there.
I've lost a lot. I have a Difficult situation, but i remain positive.
I to am an owner Team Extreme Marketing.
-Alex
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Johnnounregistered
posted March 23, 2005 12:54 AM
Alex:As I said before, I was an owner but I didn't fail, I left. You people continually equate leaving with failure. I hate to do this but:- My best year as an owner I made $330,000 gross profit, of which I saved (in the bank after expenses, taxes and paying myself a wage) $48,000.- My first year in Real Estate after leaving DSMAX (Innovage) I saved $62,000.- Four years ago, I decided I couldn't stand sales any more so I enrolled at university and finished a degree last year in the top 10% of my cohort.- I am completing a post graduate degree this year and will hopefully begin a PhD next year.
I have a house, kids and I'm happy... Please don't tell me I'm a failure or that I failed at DSMax. Unless you call failure the inability to continue in a position where the constant challenge is to hold on to your people through deception, threats (emotional and financial) and puffery; it's that attitude that turns people off DSMAX etc etc.
Good luck,Johnno
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benjamin_blairunregistered
posted March 27, 2005 09:14 PM
Just to let you guys know I currently work for Granton Marketing. I love my job due to the skills that it teaches me. Yes there are deffinitaly days that I could make more money than I do working somewhere else, but I do this for the long term income potential. If you feel like there is a lot of negative press on the internet, I emplore you to look up any major company on the internet. The difficulty with any type of free speech media like the internet is that anyone can say anything. All I can say is what I have personally experienced. I have been working here for six months and have had a lot of successes and failures. I am pushing for assistant management very soon and look forward to all of the other opportunities that this buisness can provide.
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Brendanunregistered
posted April 01, 2005 09:49 AM
Why does it seem that the owners are the only ones defending this scam? They're the ones using people like your husband to make money, that's why. I hope he's already out, or at least looking for something else. I worked here for 6 months. I was promoted in my 2nd week. (That should have been a sign.) I'm not a failure, I just realized that I was being lied to. I have a real job now, selling a real product to a real clientele. I work at a desk, from 8:30 to 4:30, I'm off nights and weekends, so I can be at home with my kids. Does that make me lazy... of course not. A failure? Don't think so. I travel all over the country and guess who pays for it? MY COMPANY. Try getting that at Cydcor. I have a company credit card, a company car, a company phone and a company expense account. Yes, I also have a boss, just like everyone else in the world with a job. Do you think owners in DS-Max don't answer to VP's and the such. This company is a scam. They run people down until they burn out ans quit. They've never fired anyone. They burn you out while you make them some money and then they tell everyone else you couldn't hack it when you leave. Get out now. The sooner, the better.
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J. D. MacCaulyunregistered
posted April 02, 2005 10:54 AM
Ok to all this Granton Marketing aka whatever.Real or not, they are still illegal; I am a marketing and employment law specialist. So trust me I know what I am talking about. Now I am not going to say they within these companies you cannot advance, and you cannot make good money, because in all honesty you can. Mind you not right off the bat. But it is possible. I will how ever say this. Look at the hiring practices. You get hired and then after making a certain amount for the "company" you get promoted and then train newly hired employees and then when they make a certain amount of money they get promoted and then so do you again. And so on and so forth until you claim yourself an owner and the cycle starts again. This is a classic pyramid scam. Like it or not this is the truth. This is how they operate and this is also the exact same way a pyramid scam operates. Now I'm Canadian so I'm not sure about American marketing law and employment laws but I do however know that in Canada pyramid scams are illegal, very illegal. Also in Canada employment law states no matter how you receive your remuneration, that in Canada at least commission or salary or hour wage that at the minimum your remuneration must be equal to minimum wage based on the hours you work. So if you work 12 hours a day for 5 days which equals 60 hours and only on average bring home 40 dollars a day that’s only 200 on average a week. I know all the supporters of the company will say that you eventually will make more money if you keep working hard and putting in the hours. This is true you will, but regardless 60 hours a week for 200 bucks a weeks only equals $3.33 an hour which is well below the minimum wage level in any province in Canada. Making this a very very illegal practice. Even if you were to bring home $350 a week, which you could technically live on depending on your situation. That is still only $5.83 an hour which is also below minimum wage for most provinces. So if you want to work your *** off and make well below minimum wage go right ahead, yes you may advance and eventually make some good money but off the backs of your employees are who are basically getting paid a slave wage. So yes there is room to advance, and there is room to make a lot of money at some point. Also yes you may become an owner and run your own business, but remember if you get this far, you'll be paying a slave wage and running a business that has extremely illegal business and wage practices. Now supporters of the company will say well when you first get hired you sign a waiver agreeing to this. Hate to tell you but waiver or not it is still illegal. Employment law takes the forefront. A waiver does not make it legal it just makes the people who sign the waiver think there is nothing they can do about it, but there is. The waiver holds no weight, it means absolutely nothing, it is a scam along with the rest of the company. Waiver or not legally you still have to get paid minimum wage. Also Granton Marketing and its alias' are under investigation for fraud, running pyramid scams, illegal business practices (wage scam), and for soliciting without a license. So yes you can make money, yes you can advance and even become an owner. But honestly is it really worth it. If you want to work long hours and get paid very little go work at McDonalds or Burger King at least its legal. Stop looking for the quick buck that companies like this promise.
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justmythoughtsunregistered
posted April 03, 2005 11:09 AM
I wouldn't worry too much. I ran an office in the UK. It took me roughly 2 years to get to that position and while there I made pretty good money and enjoyed myself.
Personally I made the decision to close my office two years ago to pursue a similair business in corporate incentives.
I never became a millionaire but know a few who have. I was certainly never lied to but with a company as large as it is I can certainly believe that some people do go over the top.
Most importnatly though, you and your husband can rest assured that the figures required to open an office are correct and are applied equally to all. Ie. If he has the potential to achieve the sales figures required by him and his team he will get the rewards and recognition as described.
I'd suggest sitting down with your husband and putting down on paper what he'd have to do if he wanted to open an office of this type himself. The benefits of working with the group instead of going it alone include - no start up cost, profit from day one, access to brand name products and campaigns and the support of people who have done it before.
Always remember though, DSMax and all the associated firms are simplly suppliers of a product. The training, commission structure and promotion prospects are simply effective ways of supporting a growing distribution network.
If your husband can do these things on his own and find an appropriate supplier who will work with him on a sale or return basis then he could open that new office for himself tomorrow and not need to be associated with DSMax.
Whichever works better will be determined by your own circumstances - DSMax is certainly not a magic formula to riches but neither is it cult or scam. If they can supply you with products and support in a way that works for you then great - if not then look elsewhere.
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justmythoughtsunregistered
posted April 03, 2005 11:29 AM
Just read JD MacCauley's post.
What you describe would indeed be illegal but does not represent true practice. Quite simply when you begin you do not sign any 'waiver' - rather you work as a self-employed distributor.
It's rather silly to suggest that a company as large and as public as they are could get away with illegal practices as described.
There are literally tens of thousands of distributors across dozens of countries. The group holds corporate contracts with household brands including AT+T, Disney, Warner Brothers etc...
As I stated in my other post, these companies are simply suppliers. All the people in the office are self-employed and people simply don't call themselves owners - they set up limited liability companies and act as managing director.
Having said that if people are earning just a few dollars an hour then they should probably be doing something else. The risks of self-employment are the same whether you run a DSMax office or a retail shop.
If people think they are not earning enough or are being treated poorly then they should stop complaining and simply find a different supplier - DSMax is not the only one. However, to suggest that these practices are illegal is incorrect, and, to an extent, malicious - facts first, judgement second.
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J. D. MacCaulyunregistered
posted April 13, 2005 02:29 PM
First off, reread my post.
Second of all, If a company hires a employee and tells that employee they are getting paid commission. That person is an employee of the company. A person doesn't sign a waiver to become self employeed. A distributorship agreement maybe but not a waiver. I have experienced firsthand and talk to many people who have signed these waivers. In some cases it WAS some sort of agreement saying that they were self employeed, fine perfectly legal. However not all of them were as such, some were actully waivers, releasing the company of any wrong doing. (well thats what they were suppose to be for, the actually ended up being a record of how many people the company screwed. ) However if your dumb enough to sign something like that, you have to expect to get screwed. In the instances of actual waivers, and where these people ended up making little money. Where it was calculated to be less the minimum wage, this is illegal, well under canadian law they were all illegal because you cannot be asked by any prospective to sign a waiver to release them of liabilities. When it pertains to wage and such other basic employment rights. You can however be asked to sign injury and insurance waivers. In all of the "waiver" cases(not all from the same exact company,) where the "employee" was hired as an "employee" and not as self employeed. This is illegal. I know they are because help close them down and was there in many cases when initial legal action was taken. ( for all those reading, its obvious that I somehow work in the justice/legal system, any names, places, dates I have used or will use are not the real names, dates, places, and all instances mentioned are referring no closed cases.) Now like I said the general company is not illegal, but some of the practices, I will however ammend this. The General idea of the company is not illegal(however somewhat cold hearted and unethical, but not even slightly illegal) However the practices of SOME of the sibling or offshoot companies is questionable, and and in many cases even illegal..many many many of the cases. Is that better, but none of my comments were malicious. This is what I do for a living and I am very good at it. I am not a former employee of any of these companies, but have come in contact with some of them through research into certain cases. Everything I said was true, however I was too harsh in one way, I didn't maintain the proper "distance". Not all companies that run these types of businesses are engaged in illegal practices. However many of then companies mentioned here, have small offshoot companies and companies that claimed and appear to be associated with them are engaged in illegal practices. I should not have pointed the finger directly at all these companies, perhaps more indirectly. Indirectly ? you ask. What I mean is that, while no not all aspects of the companies mentioned in these posts are illegal. In many cases the small offshoot companies are in many instances are engaged in illegal practices. Intentionl or not. If these parent companies just choose to claim ignorance (which they can, because of the way the companies are structered, in many cases anyhow), but if they choose to claim ignorance when so many of their smaller off shoot companies are engaged in illegal practices. Well that my dear readers makes them no better then the person actaully commiting the crime. Other then that I meant and stand by everything in my original post. Excuse the spelling and grammar and such, I have no intention of wasting my time doing all that editing, just to argue with someone who supports the company, thats your right, support them all you want. I am just going by illegal practices that have now been justified that were directly and in a few cases somewhat indirectly connected to such companies as Dx-Max, Innovage, Granton Marketing, Cydcor, etc.,.
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J. D. MacCaulyunregistered
posted April 13, 2005 02:41 PM
I never said they were getting away with it now did I. If they were I wouldn't have a job . I also did not point a finger directly at Ds-max or Dx-max. Most of my experience is with Innovage and Granton Marketing, or smaller companies being affliated with them or claiming to be..in most cases they were not just claims. I don't know is Ds-max a direct connection, when researching these compaines there are so many spider companies that its hard to tell who is assocaited with whom. All my writing is based upon fact I keep my judgements too myself thanks, because I have a conscience. Anyone associated with companies like these who claim ignorance and don't care about the the poor folk working in the trenches who they are making their money off are the ones without the conscience ..and I think you made it apparent which one you belong to.
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Patricia PANew to WAHM.com
posted June 20, 2005 04:22 AM
Hey all. I found this in Google news when I was looking up this company http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/6/prweb252122.htm
I'm still not sure, but they have been in business for 10 years. Youd think if they were bad they wouldn't be in business so long. Oh well just thought you might be interested.
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TNILEADERunregistered
posted July 29, 2005 10:47 AM
Hi im responding to the lady with her husband in DSMAX. Drag him out of that business as soon as possible. My best friend and I joined that business in the winter and we worked together through good and bad. One problem I noticed that he had was that he was married for 3 years before he went into DSMAX-TNI the network inc. (its probably the newest version of DSMAX, with the same high ranking people ina different name)He was on the job 12 hrs a day and she grew impatient. He went on road trips, and she grew more and more apart with him, not only that he was barely bringing in enough money to really make her happy by helping with bills. Well anyways. He lost his girlfriend and was devastated, but he insisted to himself to keep going in the business. And we helped retain each other when we both felt like quitting. haha, but then we began to train each other in closing and we became the top guys for a while. His leader got promoted to *** -man. and he was being sent out immediately without being properly trained. The owner offered me and my friend to go to Hamilton Ontario where we would open up a new office for the new manager. We agreed to go, I took 2 of my 4 team guys with me. We got there to have no office as promised. We were told to hold on while they looked for a suitable location. In the mean time we were on the field working our *** off. New Manager included. We were each told to borrow 1,000 bucks from our family before we left so we had some cash with us. We worked hard for almost 3 months and NOTHING was done to improve our situation. Eventually my pay was diminishing. NOT through me not ringing bell. But because the manager had so many expences to take care of he only gave me a 50 dollar living allowance per week. IMAGINE LIVING OFF OF 50 DOLLARS PER WEEK! especially when you know you made a hell of a lot more than that. same happend to everybody else. including the new manager... Well anyways. We had no idea the office in the Vancouver location was collapsing while we were in Hamilton, that was why we couldnt get our full pay. After we went to hamilton the rest of the crews quit.
It was horrible what happened to me in hamilton, i have never had to go through so much hunger and stress in my whole life. my girlfriend in Vancouver realized what was happening, she flew all the way to Hamilton to throw me on a plane and bring me back home. I WAS LUCKY. Everybody had to leave the city and go back to their families to lick their finanial wounds. I lost a total of at least $3500 (the manager was using my phone to rack up 1000 bill + 1000 loan from mom. and 1000 of savings i lost.
People be aware a new branch of DSMAX is now open with TNI as the name. spread the word. Its still a baby company. It will explode though.
Here is the website adress. http://www.tninetwork.com/
Sorry but my writing isnt excellent. but its true. This company is a huge fraud. the big guys always try to weed out the little guys with the good territory so they make more money.STEER CLEAR IF YOU ARE NEW OR ARE CONSIDERIGN WORKING FOR ANY OF THESE COMPANIES! SUCCESS RATE IS SLIM AND THEY WONT PROMOTE BASED ON ACTUAL CRITERIA. THEY WILL PROMOTE U FOR PERSONAL REASONS.
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pwspunregistered
posted September 04, 2005 04:52 PM
I am a journalist researching a piece on this particular kind of business. I would appreciate any information, especially your experiences Johnno. I can be contacted at pwsp@hotmail.co.uk
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cydcor employeeunregistered
posted September 04, 2005 08:55 PM
Hi John- I'm a rep for a cydcor office on the east coast. I have heard the different sides of cydcor but i still love my job. I do wonder about the validity of it all but i try to see the opportunity. I kick butt in the field and i'm slowly building a crew but i do see some of the inconsistancies such as health benefits. I have a few questions concerning the management. Is there a direct correlation between the success of a manager and the amount of money their family has? Also do people like John Wiggins only support certain managers and for what reason? If you can give me any input it would be much appreciated.
-Anon
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Originally posted by Johnno:The problem with Innovage, DSMAX, Granton etc etc (It was originally called WWI - Wholesale Warehousing Industries - when Murray Reinhardt, Larry Tannebaum and Avie Roth started it) is the NOT the way they treat their staff/associates/leaders/trainers/ etc etc., it's the way they treat their ex-employees/staff etc.It is arrogant (and, plain wrong) to suggest that because someone leaves a job/team etc they are a failure. How dare anyone tell me what is or isn't good for me. How dare snot-nosed owners ruminate on life when they are twenty odd years old?????And the comparison of success stories Vs failures in the group is laughable. You people refute your own arguments. You judge success only as making it to the top of the DSMAX/Granton/Innovage tree. I would suggest millions of people have worked in this organisation over the years - How many have retired millionaires? Murray, Larry, Avie, maybe Chris Niarchos in the UK. 4 out of a million or so????? Of course, some others are making good money, but they'll never match the founders - no matter how large their own organisation becomes. Why? Because every time they increase their own organisation, they increase the founder's oragnisation. Murray and Co. must be peeing their pants laughing so much.Indeed, those that do make good money have to continually harrangue and cajole their team, making great promises they know they cannot keep. Anyone with a conscience cannot succeed for long in this business. When you see a person coming into the office day after day, year after year, knowing that they will never make it, you need a hard heart to be unaffected.I know the die-hards will say that anyone can make it etc etc, or that I'm not tough enough, but they are wrong. NOT everyone can make it. Some people should be doctors, others gardeners, some can be flashy sales people with charisma who can sell people on an opportunity, others are librarians or motor mechanics. That doesn't make one better than the other; it's just life.And as for being tough (mentally), I would rather be a human being than a rich asshole.Even "successful" owners rarely make the big bucks. Most owners are closed down because they can't make it - there is basically no business training. Even "high rolling" offices struggle to pay the expenses. After an owner takes out an average (or below average) wage from the profits, there is very little left to save. You need to promote lots and lots and (lots!) of offices to have a comfortable income - and even then you can't retire.It IS an opportunity, but that's all it is; the rest is just BULLS**T. There are plenty of other opportunities out there that offer better conditions, regular pay and, more importantly, they DO NOT try to brainwash people with a loser/winner, success/failure, cow/rhino repetoire.
Oh, How do I know all this? I WAS an owner. I spent nine months working my *** off in the field building a crew/team and ran my own office for five years. I promoted many outside deals (only one is still in the business) Yeh, I made some money - no more than my friends in other businesses - but I lost a lot of good people because I was such an asshole. I shunned friends and people in my office because they left my business; because they couldn't SEE the opportunity; because they were a NEGATIVE influence on my people; because I -like every owner and VP - know how fragile the business plan is and that any differing opinions could cause the whole thing to collapse like the house of cards it is. And because I thought money would make me happy/admired/respected/satisfied.I decided to leave for two reasons: the first being an experience with a nice guy in my office who was never going to make it. Like the example above, he had been in the business for more than three years - I was his third owner (he'd even outlasted his owners). He came in one day after being in the field and selling nothing. Not one thing (not the first time it had happened to him, or others). We talked and I said I couldn't believe he had worked hard all day. I liked the guy, so I agreed to go out with him in the field the next day. We worked all day and he made two sales. Now, I know he worked, I was there. But he just didn't have it. He was motivated; he wanted it bad and he would never give up, but, something IS what it IS. I gold nugget is a gold nugget and no flowery words are gonna turn fool's gold into real gold. The guy didn't have it and he would never have it. I realised then that I couldn't go on pretending that I wasn't exploiting these people. See, it didn't cost me more to have fifty people in the office than ten. If I had ten good ones who made me $100 a day each ($1000 a day) and the other forty only made me $10 a day, I'm still making four hundred bucks off the weak ones. Why not keep them????Why? Because it's exploitation. We kept them there for the atmosphere (more people create more and better excitement) and the extra bucks. Who cares if they're living below the poverty line??? Not Murray, Larry and Avie, that's for sure.The other thing that gnawed at my conscience was something my promoting owner said to me a few weeks after I'd been in my own office. One of my second generation team (who had remained with my promoting owner) fell asleep at the wheel of his car on the way to a road trip. He died. When my promoting owner called to tell me (I was in another city) he said, after a time: "I told my leaders this morning how important it was to get the guys to sign their agreements; otherwise his family may have been able to take me to court." That sentence stuck with me for years. I still think about it every now and then.Anyway, these two things had been playing on my mind for years and eventually I simply realised that the life I was living wasn't my own; it was something I was programmed to think I wanted. Sure, I like the good things in life, but I will not sacrifice my soul to get them. That's the difference - the only one - between me and the neophtyes defending this company.
Hope this helps some of you who are deciding on your futures. My only advice is to listen to both sides of the story. Don't just believe me - listen to your owner too(sounds like the slave trade, doesn't it), maybe he/she is a good person; maybe some things have changed since I was with the group. But please, DON'T believe everything they say; lies and deception are inherent in the business structure at all levels. I know, I was an owner. I know, I lied.
Best regards,
John
PS Surely the alarm bells start ringing when they change the company name every few years. Why do they do it? Google them all and you will see.
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cleveland 1unregistered
posted November 03, 2005 09:38 PM
Please take the time to just listen to some of the stories. I would love to hear from some of the people that did well. If you tried it and it didi not work that is called it is not for you. The company is purely built and designed for and to attract self motivated poeple. Some people happen to join that think they are just not at the capacity that this company requires. Companies around the wolrd work more than 12 hrs a day in many different business. Everyone needs to understand operating in fear is why most people dont succeed in the first place anywhere. Most people in life are where they are because of there choices. Please people learn to be happy with yours. By the way most people here are so straight forward they wont even put there real names I on the site why not whats there to hide guys move on and let that company move on because why your trahing them thery have already repalce you and moved on.
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cleveland 1unregistered
posted November 03, 2005 09:48 PM
Oh if anyone has any questions about the company feel free to call the better business bureau, call the news, the police. Call someone if it is such a scam. Oh they'd just tell that everything was legit. Hard wor never killed anyone big companies that take advantage of the little guy does. This company offers you nothing so you start knowing that there are no guarantees. Big companies bait you with salalries and then lay you off. people comapnies like this are actually more for the working man than you can imagine braoden your minds beyond 40 hour work weeks and late retirement.
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cleveland 1unregistered
posted November 03, 2005 09:55 PM
Anon how you ran your business was how you ran it bro no one made you rude to people. I am a father of one child, that is married I am a christian and I will tell people if it is not for them. It IT IS NOT FOR EVERYONE. Just like college. People are meant to be different and we all excel at different things.
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Quietstormunregistered
posted December 01, 2005 11:24 PM
I too worked for cydcor, at one of their firms, on the quill campaign. I worked for them for about 6 months, and had some success. However, I was incredibly determine to make it, worked the twelve hour days, missed class, to work. I made it to leadership, and that's when I realized I could work this opportunity anymore, for a multitude of reasons. First, my manager talked about everyone, both their failures and their success, he was even cruel, and hateful toward some, who had "failed". One person was even refered to as a quitter, with are manager using examples of stories he learned from the ex-employee to make his case. I found this to be unprofessional. Second, the money can be real good, or real bad. Unfortunately, it is hard to sell office products, when you are concerned with paying your car note. They had a benefits package but it was minimal and depends on what the manager wants to give you. In my case you weren't eligible for the first 90 days, which is common in alot of other industries, but it is not something that the go over with you, or strongly emphasize. Most employees are unaware of, or discourage from using them. This is because this comes out of the owners bottomline, and if he is cheap, he does not want you to use them, while I was there I was unaware of anyone who had them, so if they actually exsisted is still to be debated, because the managers never mentioned them to us. The problem with this system, is that you have to be totally caught up in the hype for it to work for you, and any stop for thought about what you are doing means death for your cydcor career. This means you have to ignore the fact that the people around you constantly change, or disappear. Most times people are here today, gone tommorrow. All managers in atmosphere will tell you that learning the system works for all the different campaigns. However, this is a pharse. The different campaigns, just like in any other business, can be easier or harder, depending on what you are offering. For example, selling office products for quill, is a lot harder, than adjust peoples bills for bellsouth. Those who did well, generally were those who did not have much, or were married and had someone to back them, pay their bills, because the are gauranteed no income, beyond what they sell. Third, as many peope before me have stated, leaders and owners care about you when you are producing, with there attention normally focusing on those new recruits that they bring in. This is unprofessional, because, although, I understand that gossip is inherent in all business, here, gossip is endorsed, starting with the manager, and working its way down. Third, you are brought in under the guise that they all want to help you to get to ownership, which is a half truth. Managers and leaders want you to get to ownership only, because it means that it gets them to where they want to be too. What most people don't realize is that you are not only there to make the manager money, but you are there to keep his numbers up, and that you will only get the shot at management if you make him enough money, via selling in the field, and producing a team that sells well in the field. Finally, as a leader I was taught to sell the business. Just as others have said, you talk little about the business, and more about you. You see they want to know what makes you tick, in order to impulse you into coming into the business. The truth is simple, most people don't want to be door-to-door salesmen with no benefits, so they have to do something that will drive you to come in for them. You are taught to be careful about what you say, hiding what the business really is, so that the person is not scared off. They will tell you that anyone can suceed, it easy, but there are only 3 Sr. National Consultants in the business, and about 256 real offices, of varying success around the nation and abroad, after ten years. This considering the fact that each of these offices actively interview around 250 people per week. Most people stepping into this system will fail, some will suceed, at varying levels. For example, my office when I quit had 26 representatives, with 8 leaders, including myself, that is up from 18 the previous year. Considering that there are 56 weeks in a year, and the firm had an interview rate of 250 observers per week. That is a poor turnover ratio, to say the least. They foster you along by, constantly reteaching you the same thing everyday, how many former employees remember MAFIA fridays, with no new information. You judge off of numbers, they even use them to teach you what you need to work on each day, not by effort. You bear the cost of everything, while not being reimburst for anything. What people don't realize is that you make money, but the cost you incur from actually working the job, may put you at minimum wage, or into the negative. To be fair there where, and are those who WILL make it, but this is by now means an endorsement for the company. Think about this for a company that is constantly experienceing constant growth and expansion, don't you find it funny that it is not found on the fortune 500 hundred list anywhere. In Sum, anyone willing to take the chance on the company, be aware that it is a risk, and is not as easy as they tell you it is. Many times, leaders will lead you to believe that the problem is you and not the field, and that you will not have a bad day so long as you are in the right mindset. This is false, nowhere in any business, is there not such a thing as a bad day, and it is not always your fault, that is happens. I hope what I have written helps anyone who might have questions about this system.
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cleveland1unregistered
posted December 02, 2005 07:51 PM
MBNA is not on the fortune 500 neither is NBA, neither is NFL each grows consistently every year and has a high turnover rate, but I guess these businesses are different. Man people fail in businesses everyday you just dont hear about them. Also you say you missed class, I say good for you, you made a chioce it did not work for you but it does for others. I am pro any business that is pure performanced based, because the cream will always rise to the top. I wish you all well at your endeavors
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STAMPEDEunregistered
posted December 05, 2005 10:16 PM
I WORKED FOR DSMAX AND I CAN SAY IT'S A BUSINESS THAT TEACHES YOU HOW TO DEAL WITH DIFFERENT THING'S I'M NOT IN THE BUSINESS ANYMORE BUT IT HAS TAUGHT ME THAT ATTITUDE IS EVERYTHING BEFORE I GOT IN THE BUSINESS MY ATTITUDE WAS SHOT I WAS VERY RUDE TO PEOPLE AND THEY TAUGHT ME HOW TO HUMBLE MYSELF THEY WILL GIVE YOU A FAIR SHOT BUT YOU HAVE TO EARN IT NOTHING IN LIFE IS FREE.
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brettNew to WAHM.com
posted December 06, 2005 02:42 PM
I worked in the "business" in the UK for 5 years and was an owner for 3 of those. In general the business the company is great you can make good commission as your trying to get promoted and you can develop into an owner quickly. I left the business after 3 years as an owner for 1 reason - You can run the most successful "office" you want but you cant sell your "company" when you want to leave. If I set up a normal business tomorrow which becomes succesful then it is mine to sell my share of. In the "business" the only money you make is the so called mega bucks each week they always go on about. Just a thought for all you "juicey" characters who defend the business as though it was yours. The reason they allow you to set up your own business is simply to remove their own liability - if you fail its not there problem. If they ran all of the offices on a branch basis with branch managers there costs would be far higher as would the risk. If all the offices close tomorrow the only costs would be the 1 head office. Why cant you sell the business when you leave? Simple, you have no product, no client(the client is contracted to DSMAX or Granton or whoever) and you have no database or information that could be deemed of value. You just have yourself and your team of guys who are pretty brainwashed and think they'll have offices on Mars in 6 months. Oh and to all the people who say Im being "negative" dont forget I successfully ran an office and left of my own choice!
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baltimore MDunregistered
posted December 29, 2005 01:15 PM
I have compiled a list of companies in the Baltimore, MD area that I came across that are part of this scam. Here it is. None of these people will even admit that they are conected in any way to the other.
http://www.marketbaltimore.com/ - Advertising Endeavors
http://www.venturemarketing-dc.com/ - Venture Marketing Solutions
http://www.dmsbaltimore.com/ - Distinctive Marketing Solutions, Inc
http://www.phoenixpromotionsinc.com/ - Phoenix Promotional Group
http://www.platinum-promo.com/ - Platinum Promotions, Inc
http://www.elitemarketingco.com/ - Elite Marketing, Inc
http://www.themarketinggrouponline.com/ - The Marketing Group or TMG or TMG Online
http://www.capital-adv.com/ - Capital Promotional Advertising Inc.
Im sure there are many more.
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DDDD1unregistered
posted January 23, 2006 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by OKC, OK:Just do an internet search at http://www.google.com/ for Granton Marketing.... my son-in-law 'interviewed' today with 'Choice Marketing' a division of Granton Marketing, aka 100's of other aliases. You will be shocked at the number of negative info you will find. http://wolfram.org/scams/ds_max this one has a detailed account of one persons experience and the entire outline of how the companies work.Hope your hubby gets out soon! Sounds like a nightmare!
TRUST ME ITS A PATHETIC JOKE...I worked for a company like that this passed summer, and they literally brain wash you and tell you not to talk about the negatives but just keeping thinking about management and training your team...its a bullshit job to get the owner of the company rich bc he can only make money if he has lil guinipigs workin their asses off rackin in cash, tell him to get out ASAP!!
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auto dubunregistered
posted February 09, 2006 12:02 PM
An FYI for everyone looking at Granton Marketing - They are now called Smart Circle International Inc. aka Smart Circle Fundraising aka The Smart Circle aka Smart Circle International Corp.
Now, under the new name they are even trying to screw the sales offices (that hire the door-to-door salespeople). They are looking to sell their product through a whole new sales force (fundraising) which will even more sales away from the door-to-door guys!
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Redhead17unregistered
posted February 20, 2006 09:31 AM
I have to tell ya'll that are talking about this DS-Max business crap...I worked in Europe this past summer for the Cobra Group-- same deal as DS-MAX....doing "good" work promoting a charity but it is all the same bull and anyone involved is either ignorant and uneducated or just naive. I knew exactly what I was doing while I was doing it and I can honestly say I had to lie to my mother and father about what I was doing because I was so ashamed. I just wanted to stay in Europe for the summer and make a bit of cash to roam around with...after 5 days a week of 11am to sometimes MIDNIGHT and saturdays until 6 or so I realized that all the company does is brain wash kids and desperate job seekers into working as many hours as they can get out of them. How sad is that?
Now, I do have to say that the people I met while I worked there were amazing. Other than the MD who was a total jerk, the others were great. I could have sued that MD for sexual harassment on a number of occasions. He was just plain immature and inappropriate. He made girls cry and screamed at the guys. Who wants to work for someone like that? OHHH but if you keep a great attitude and put in 110 percent in the rain and cold, knocking on doors and constantly getting them slammed in your face then OF COURSE you will succeed!! Success? Being a good door knocker? I'm graduating summa cum laude this May and just got a full ride to graduate school. Don't tell me that DS-Max or the Cobra group or Granton or whoever breeds success stories. Those people aren't "motivated" they are the laziest people that would do anything to make an easy buck.
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CCCPunregistered
posted February 26, 2006 05:26 PM
I worked for Innovage for about three weeks, and like many, I was sucked in by the flash and the idea of "fast tracking" my way to management. Let me describe my last day...I went into the office at 6:30 like I did every day and began my "training" which is where you learn more about pitching product and about adapting to different situations. One of the situations was the multi level office building. In this situation, we were supposed to start pitching product on the top floor, so that if and when security was to kick us out, we would just move down two floors so that security had a harder time locating us again. What's the point? They don't want you there, don't be a jerk.Even after hearing this, I stayed on, and then I asked THE question..."I've had several calls from customers saying that their merchendise is broken. How do I go about replacing them?" To this I was told to replace the item with one in my consignment of the day, and the they told me to put the broken item back in my order. Basically I was told to recycle the crap. It was then that I walked out.They will do anything to get the sell. even offering damaged boxes for a Lower price, even though the lower price is the same price they've been selling it for all day.One last thing. To all the employers of these companies out there: Don't hit the classifieds pretending to be a marketing firm or advertising agency. These honorable titles don't apply to you. You're salesmen. Don't lie to us to make you feel better about yourselves.
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annon.unregistered
posted March 10, 2006 02:23 PM
it's only a nightmare if you can't invest the time or don't have what it takes to succeed in the business. I think you would be shocked at the number of success stories... only you have decided to focus on the negative results... don't cry dry your eye... it's an opportunity for people who are willing to follow a simple system, I'm sorry that whomever you have talked to wasn't successful... but blatant disrespect to all those who have worked hard to achieve success or are trying hard to do so is unwarranted... who do you work for, I work for myself and am proud of it... being an independent contractor is better than working for someone else. it's good to know i am a part of something that is growing, while people like yourself are simply crying about unsuccessful experiences, how come you don't search for success stories??? Not everyone is excited about your negatives... the glass is half full hun.
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Originally posted by OKC, OK:Just do an internet search at http://www.google.com/ for Granton Marketing.... my son-in-law 'interviewed' today with 'Choice Marketing' a division of Granton Marketing, aka 100's of other aliases. You will be shocked at the number of negative info you will find. http://wolfram.org/scams/ds_max this one has a detailed account of one persons experience and the entire outline of how the companies work.Hope your hubby gets out soon! Sounds like a nightmare!
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cydcor dropoutNew to WAHM.com
posted March 24, 2006 02:01 PM
Well I kinda got sick of the repetition from both sides the lovers and the haters. I am an Ex - Cydcor employee and No I do not hate them. The concept works well and the opporunity is there. You have to take it. I worked there for 18 months but my priorities changed. I learnt a lot. I love Sales. I was making 25K with CYDCOR but the experience they gave me now helps me close six and seven digit contracts. The Sales experience helps. I make close close to six digits now. I do work for someone but as all you sales people know even if you work for someone you would be the most independent employee in the company. Especially if you do well.
When I started with CYDCOR I was new to the USA for 1 month. Worked with them for 18 months and 14 months later here I am. Executive Sales Dude!!!! Thats not bad for someone new to the country with no work experience.
Grow up Guys and be mature. No one brain washes anyone. Only people who have there guard down or want to be brain washed will be.
CYDCOR is not for a faint heart or the salaried guy either. I think people sick of the 9-5 and want to try something else join...kids out of school looking to gain confidence in the sales industry join....people who are interested in making a lot and a lot of money (in time)....join. Of course do remember for every success story you hear with CYDCOR there may be about 4-5000 unsuccessful stories.
Peace and Stay Rich
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posted March 29, 2006 05:45 PM
its all based on perspective. Most of the world thinks this(america): 9-5, job security, clock in and out, have a boss, pay bills, buy stuff, die. Some(poorer nations) think like this: find food, eat, sleep. but to them, its normal.. Nothing strange at all, just wake up, forrage through the forrests to find game, kill it and eat it. We as Americans find this off, we call them 3rd world countries.. when in all acutallity, their perspecive is different.
Same thing applies for businiess worlds. Cydcor basically is MLM, and I work for an affiliate. But the opportunity is REAL.. i'm also sitting on a thick wallet right now that proves it.
Usually, when something isn't accepted it's rejected, and rejected hard esp if the majority can't understand it. Bottom line is the majority of the working class mindset can't handle the concept that is Cydcor's Philosphy: work hard, get success, teach other's to do the same.
The true brain washing starts when you're born: from that point on the world is telling you what's wrong and what's right, when all that is relative to mindset and location.
i hope someone understands what it is i'm trying to say. I'm not for or against cydcor (i work for them) but its just different
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